In this film, you’re acting, you’re directing, you’re fighting. How many things are ping-ponging in your brain during all these scenes to maintain focus, intensity, to make sure that everyone is hitting their mark, but also that you’re hitting yours? How do you work within these massive fight scenes?
It’s hard. A huge thing about directing is people management, especially during a pandemic when we made this. We were in this tiny island called Batam in Indonesia, and we had 500 people in this one bubble, and you can just imagine: people were falling in love, people were getting divorced, people were getting married.
At the same time, I had to wake up crazy early to [work through] the choreography. I didn’t wanna do too many cuts, so to hold that amount of choreo in your brain while shot listing, working on sets and rehearsing with your fellow actors—it was a very intensive process. But every morning, I’d wake up and go, “Isn’t this amazing? I’m living a dream; I actually get to make a movie.”
I was 30 years old at the time when we shot it. What a dream. Then you look at the rest of your cast and everyone else, and to have a purpose during that very bleak time was beautiful.
It is beautiful. I saw your Q&A at SXSW, and something else that was beautiful was how people’s roles on set had to change, and how everyone stepped up and that trust that you have that also probably grew with everyone’s contribution.
My first production designer, because of the pandemic, couldn’t fly in. So [to] the local facilitator—this gentleman called Pawas Sawatchaiyamet, who’s also a wonderful production designer—I was like, “Pawas, you got the gig.” He totally stepped up to the plate and then some.
In shooting, immediately, I knew we weren’t capturing the action quite as viscerally as I was feeling it as an actor, ’cause I had been lucky enough to spend all this time with the stunt team early in the mornings, training with them. [I told my director of photography, Sharone Meir], “There’s this guy Stephen [Renney] who’s shooting the pre-vises on his little Canon camera,” and I asked him, “Stephen, do you want to be a DP [someday]?” He said, “Oh, I would love to one day.” And I was like, “Well, you’re gonna be a camera operator on this.”
Sharone loved the idea, [because I told him] we’re gonna have an actual ninja [operating the camera]. We’re gonna have a stunt guy who knows every move and can meet me [in the action]. So it’s not gonna just be me versus the bad guys; there’s gonna be three of us working in tandem. He gets into the armpit of the action.
You and I, we both are kind of lengthy torso, long-legged, tall guys. I actually really like that vantage point of under the armpit, ’cause you don’t really see that much.
Yeah, you don’t see it. There are scenes where we don’t cut, like me fighting two men in an elevator. It’s a cramped space, so for us to kinda dance through each other, it was a fun challenge.