I want to talk about where Bird goes in a spiritual sense, without spoiling the movie. But it breaks new ground for an Andrea Arnold movie in of storytelling and also technically and visually. How did you collaborate to create that transformation together?
As I mentioned before, there’s an iceberg, so we did a lot of things where Bird would transform or become something other than a human being—because, actually, he isn’t. He just appears in the shape of a man, but he is something different. There’s something other. [That] otherness was something that we created with a stop-motion camera most of the time, and all this stop-motion footage is in the trash can.
How does that make you feel?
It’s liberating, but also surprising. On set, I felt like I depended on the stop-motion camera and that didn’t necessarily make me feel good. Watching the film, I felt like we could have done more to show the transformation—but people who don’t know don’t miss it. This is just my problem!
You’ve mentioned Andrea’s process is different to how you’ve previously worked, saying: “The worst thing that can happen is to work with someone that’s very kind and not good at directing. And then you have a good time, but the movie is going to be horrible.” I find that interesting because as an audience member, you get a sense of great care and trust from her movies. How has she compared to other filmmakers you’ve worked with?
Andrea is one of those who is very kind. She puts all the pressure on her own shoulders and creates a safe space for all the actors to connect. But that’s not always the case. Someone like Michael Haneke is very sharp, sometimes also aggressively fighting for what he wants. He’s not interested in an open process. What he wants is for you to come as close as possible to a result that he has already established in his mind before you start shooting.
That’s a very different tone in comparison to Andrea, who wants you to surrender to the moment and wants you to sit on a meadow. When you forget that you’re there to act, she will turn on the camera. You’ve spent time together in a weird apartment and sometimes the camera is turned on, and sometimes not. I would never say that one is good, and the other is bad. But what I am looking for personally is interesting work. What I want to make sure is that the director can do what he or she needs to do in order to make the project work. I don’t want them to worry too much about being patient, because I understand. There’s a lot of pressure involved. I prefer them to scream and feel the relief. But I try to be kind, and I love kind people.